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The British Challenger 2 tank is becoming obsolete in the face of new threats such as the Russian T-14 Armata. Company Limited by Guarantee. From the published information I’ve seen, the Chally upgrade is primarily dealing with obsolescent sensors rather than upgrading the drive train or the gun. Add that to the Protected Mobility units already there and suddenly you have a mixed bag of deployable bdes ready for most types of conflict. The new partnership, named Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL), will see the companies combine their market-leading specialisms to compete on a global scale. Registered in England No. Smooth bore guns are of relatively basic engineering and we already have the next generation munitions technologies. In 2019 the then defence secretary, Penny Mordaunt, went as far as to suggest it was obsolete. HET are essential. Therefore, the vehicle will need a very high level of artificial intelligence. Prior to the announcement, the two companies had been individually bidding for the contract to extend the life of the Challenger 2 to 2035. I believe the powerplant is being addressed by uprating the existing Rolls Royce condor v12 this is being handled by the contract with caterpillar. My idea. Defence Minister Stuart Andrew said assessments were still being made but said he expects the order for the new mechanised infantry vehicles, the 'Boxer', will be … In the mean time we happen to have 2 66000tonne aircraft carriers instead… oh and 4 thermonuclear tipped intercontinental missile carrying nuclear propelled submarines. but when have you known this to happen. The upgraded tank will be referred to as Challenger 2 Mark 2. “Members of Army HQ, DE&S and the MOD joined other agencies and companies for static and dynamic demonstrations of the system, which included simulated laser and missile attack,” said a BAE bulletin. Lance Corporal Mark MacKellar had the chance to be in it a Boxer lent to British Forces by the Dutch Army. Ideally Germany would of course become the premier European Land Power, but until we’ve worked out a lot of bad feelings and national trauma that’s not… Read more », Good Morning, Dern. Inhoud van de doos Marktplaats. Modern electronics should reduce the power demand quite substantially, theres also the regenerative braking being added on the turret. I think the MBT is still relevant and numbers matter. The new venture is expected to present competitive proposals to the British Army for the programme to upgrade the Challenger 2 battle tank fleet and the delivery of the Boxer project - the Army’s armoured transport vehicle. Been in the forces served 15 year. It’s better to have stock in reserve than being denied replacements. Damed if they do, damed if they don’t. The current plan is to upgrade the Challenger 2 with a new turret, engine, main gun, night vision gear, communications equipment, and an active protection system that shoots down incoming rockets. This has led to a focus on infantry equipment rather than front line battlefield vehicles. How on earth are 50-60 tanks better than 148? Would love your thoughts, please comment. Even in defence quarters, an area that is always screaming for more German defence spending the cry “Fourth Reich” was instantly raised. 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Website admin will know that you reported it. Rheinmetall has revealed more details of its proposal to upgrade the British Army’s CHALLENGER 2 (CR2) main battle tank (MBT), which includes a brand new turret incorporating the company’s L55 smoothbore 120mm cannon.. It is a military fudge, directed by politicians to try to fit the kit to the role, not the role to the kit. Let’s hope the Challenger 2 gets an APS system sooner than later because now ATGMs are the new RPG for insurgents everywhere now since the Syrian War. Somewhere near Salisbury would be a better location! Challenger 2 upgrade on offer from BAE Systems. As a culture we still revel in WW2 movies and video games, we still chant “2 world wars and 1 world cup” at football games, we still shout cries of “4th Reich” whenever we hear of increased German defence spending. The Challenger 2 tank, built by BAE Systems in the 1990s, served in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. Just read on Janes that the decision to delay is to conduct further studies on replacing the main gun. I still believe it would be expedient to augment the CH2-LEP’s with refurbished M1’s, up to say, 200 hulls? Decision on Challenger 2 tank upgrade to be taken in 2021. I completely agree. Surley we can add to it if required? Plus if things get bad and we are actually at war damage to our roads would be the least of our worries. To be fair, an active protection system is very good news. Author Murray Hammick Published 26 th September 2018 Last Updated 27 th September 2018 Comments No Comments Categorised Army, HM Forces, News, UK Tagged 120mm gun, BAE Systems, challenger 2, LEP, Rifled gun, sighting systems, Smoothbore, Tank development. We will leave that to the RA lol. Upgrades are being sought to keep the tank battle-ready for the next twenty years, as part of the Ministry of Defence’s decision to extend the tank’s life until 2035. It has seen a number of new systems being fitted to CR2’s heading to Iraq and will soon be standard on all CR2’s. Challenger 2, Mark 2 Demonstrator, nicknamed the 'Black Night', has been developed within the last year, with the focus on enhancing its sensor systems. As well as removing obsolescence, there will be the opportunity to make further capability enhancements. Ontwikkeling. Possibly the very large point class vessels we have for moving heavy armour? I’d rather have 500 MBT’s at my disposal than 150. Last year, BAE showcased its prototype for the upgraded Challenger 2, the Mark 2 Demonstrator, nicknamed the 'Black Night'. There are also a number of different variants, but it can be used for a range of things - from troop transport to heavy artillery. We should also build up 16AA, as they should still be used for plugging gaps and attacking the rear etc. On Ashchurch, last I heard it had a stay of execution. Warminster houses the LWC training fleet. Same with Donnington. When will the UK ever need that many Tanks, when will we ever be in a ground based mechanised infantry assault requiring that much armor….350-500 is just pink fairy dust…. The attrition rate of a modern land conflict would see most vehicles in direr need of attention very quickly, and a fleet of 500 could be the minimum number, not the maximum? This is why I question the whole deal. They have also been tested time and time… Read more », Germany isn’t “getting it’s finger out” because it’s stingy. Laser Warning System – When targeted by enemy weapon systems, the tank can identify the source of the threat then automatically slew the gun to point at that source, making it quicker for the crew to counter-fire. "It is much better than the Mastiff," he said. Too much nonsense has been leveled at the MBT and its usefulness in war. She noted: "Challenger 2 has been in service without a major upgrade since 1998. Ideally, the tank should be designed with more autonomy, so crew numbers can be reduced, but that would require an all new tank. Why do all these interesting places get replaced by bloody housing estates? The decision on how many Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks will be upgraded will not be made until 2021, says Minister Stuart Andrew. And build a brand new tank as well when Rheinmetall and BAE have joined forces? Thanks, Mandelli, that is good news if true. I agree with Daniele here – we are not a land power. British defence company BAE Systems has revealed its plans to upgrade the Challenger 2 battle tank (pictured) which has been serving the army for 18 years. The vehicle was originally designed and manufactured by BAE Systems and entered service in 1998. It is hardened to protect against the effects of a nuclear explosion. The Chally Blacknight fitted with the Iron Fist system is in my opinion better than the Trophy, in trials it has proven that it can deflect… Read more ». Apparently RUSI have recommended some form of SP AA weapon to combat UAVs in the Strike Brigades too. The LEP forms the major component of the … DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE TOLD. The upgraded tank will be referred to as Challenger 2 Mark 2. all wheeled. Challenger 2 is an excellent Main Battle Tank with an impressive operational track record. Rheinmetall has submitted a bid to upgrade the capabilities of the challenger 2 tank fleet in response to the system’s Life Extension Project. Mate, the Respect is all to you, believe me. This would mean cutting the rear and fitting the hydraulic fan pack off trojan. It is what it is, a massive depot for our great army and should stay that way! A decision on how many of the Army’s Challenger 2 tanks will be upgraded will not be made until 2021. How and where to do we move 500 Challener 2 tanks? It must have the capacity to be defensive and offensive so will need vehicles mounting a direct fire weapon, IFV with ATGM, dedicated anti-tank vehicle, short range air defences plus… Read more ». The Israeli Merkavas have been using the Trophy system for at least the last 5 years. Er zijn geen in-box reviews bekend Challenger-2 Upgrade Set ~Trumpeter~ (#A053) van Accurate Armour. Reducing crews on tanks is a false economy. He visited Telford for the launch of a new joint venture between the two defence companies that are hoping to deliver both programmes. With heavy equipment a lot of it is about having it available in store when needed rather than being in constant use all the time. In it the “HET” Heavy Equipment Transporters are discussed. You know, that is an argument that I’ve somehow not come across before and it’s actually a very good one! You don’t just have to drive/operate them. As well as removing obsolescence, there will be the opportunity to make further capability enhancements. One area of the army I would like to see expanded is yours. The Challenger 2 Life Extension Project (LEP) is a UK MOD contract to remove obsolescence from Challenger 2 and extend its out-of-service date by ten years to 2035. Wiki states the budget for the challenger upgrade will be around £650 million, so in theory the budget could get us 50-60 new Abrams tanks in today’s money. The Challenger 2 Life Extension Programme (LEP) is designed to replace obsolete equipment, enhance protection, increase range and provide improved lethality of the tank until an out of service date of 2035 - extending its life from 2025. Challenger 2 ATDU is a fictional name given to the Challenger 2 Megatron for the game Armored Warfare. Silly idea!!! It’s choice if we have the man power, they deliberately cut placements at sandhurst for example, our troop numbers are pure choice, we had army’s far bigger and tank numbers far far bigger not long ago. It has a new commander's panoramic sight with a thermal and optical channel - meaning it has a full 24-hour … By giving it the Iron-Fist active protection gives it a better chance against anti-tank guided weapons and has shown it can deflect a FIN round. The RN hasn’t really been needed for a long time and is effectively preparing for yesterday’s war without that assumption being challenged. Especially coming out of the EU. That means air power, and ships. You can flag a comment by clicking its flag icon. 407270, Challenger 2 Upgrade Decision Will Not Be Made Until 2021, Defence Companies Join Forces For Challenger 2 Upgrade And Other Projects. BAE Systems has given further details on the capabilities of its upgraded Challenger 2 main battle tanks as part of Medusa project. The upgrade will probably be a change of name knowing GB plc. Of course all democratic peoples are reluctant to face potential aggression when it begins to surface (which is a very reassuring opening reaction), whether American, British, German, Japanese or whoever, but they do face their commensurate responsibilities when required:- America has never stopped umbrella-ing us all within NATO and beyond; Britain did it’s best for Europe, and is clearly still having that discussion… Read more », Gavin, you, as an individual, may feel like it’s time for Germany to forget it’s past Trauma, however it’s not up to you. It is like if only the superficial envelope was kept. The German people still struggle heavily with this, and over the last 80 odd years have developed a massive pacifist streak as a result. On Tuesday [22nd] we posted the above image of a Challenger 2 as a bit of a teaser and promised to bring you more details, writes Bob Morrison.. I am convinced that the strike brigade concept can be made to work, but it needs investment and the right kit i.e. Spot on Daniele. That would safeguard British engineering jobs. Precisely Watcherzero. Active Protection System – Systems allow the tank to detect incoming anti-tank missiles or armour penetrating rounds and automatically launches a counter-explosive to neutralise the threat. Before it was fitted, they got a severe mauling with a high number of crew casualties, when they crossed into the West bank. The issues will come if we don’t upgrade the power plant. Defence Minister Stuart Andrew said assessments were still being made but said he expects the order for the new mechanised infantry vehicles, the 'Boxer', will be put in by the Ministry of Defence by the end of this year. A upgraded AI bde is a fearsome formation especially… Read more », They could have retained the 3 AI Brigades and converted one of the 2 “deployable” Infantry Brigades in the Adaptable Force ( just a collection of orphaned units with little or no supporting assets in reality ). If we are going to spend lots of money on them, do it properly or not at all. And please don't worry, your report will be anonymous. This means by the time they have looked at both proposals, decided upon what combination would be likely for one full solution and gotten suppliers together started to plan facilities for production etc. What NATO doesn’t have is a powerful fleet on this side of the Atlantic: the Norwegian Sea and GIUK gap are wide open for the Russians to exploit. Seeing as we are only upgrading 120 tanks potentially, it would seem to me buying new would offer better value for money. And I bet by the time we have done all the upgrades it costs nearly as much per tank as a new one. Also typically, what little Railway capability we had has also been cut. It is good the MOD can still implement synergistic methodologies whilst underscoring collaborative schemas in order to envisioneer mission-critical channels with the final aim of engineering customised deliverables. Someone has been selling them……. The strike Brigade will not have enough firepower, reach and resilience for either a low level conflict, nor a peer on peer conflict. RBSL will draw on Rheinmetall’s leading military vehicle technologies and BAE Systems’ UK portfolio of capabilities from the Challenger 2 main battle tank to various armoured vehicles, military bridging and the AS90 self-propelled artillery system. KNDS is a merger between KMW and Nexter and it was finalized in 2015. Everything I can find about the testing of it suggests it is very, very effective. And what else is the defence budget would you sacrifice to pay for 500 MBT’s? The British Challenger 2 Tank Street Fighter. I look forward to hearing the details of the new vehicle. “Accelerated fightability”? Rheinmetall and BAE Systems Land UK have launched a new joint venture as they wait for MOD decision on the Challenger 2 upgrade. I’d wager they’re waiting to see what the outcome of Brexit and the next election are before committing to numbers. Publisher. £9.21 Per Hour + This role is shift work, full UK licence is desired not essential. However they aren’t as glamourous and therefore don’t get as many shiny items which politicians like to stand next to for a photo op, or put on lists in the daily mail. “LONDON – Britain has fallen behind its allies and potential adversaries in key armoured combat vehicle capabilities and must do more to become a force to be reckoned with, Defence Secretary Penny Mordaunt has warned.”, https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/06/05/will-the-stars-finally-align-to-upgrade-britains-obsolete-tanks/, “Britain declined the opportunity to buy a fleet of German tanks due to “worry about negative press headlines,” a defence source has claimed. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. However logisitic support in the form of CS and CSS are the make or break of any operation. It would be likely be 2021 until they are ready anyway. And then everyone will cry that the gov isn’t protecting British jobs and Tank manufacturing. I’m well read on the Strike Brigades, will take a look to see if anything new. I very much regret that Germany’s time to sort out it’s bad feelings & trauma, very understandable during the latter 20th century of course, has expired now that we’re experiencing increasingly volatile state-on-state antagonism. Love Reading your comments. This has been dragging on for 10 years now. I’m of the opinion that BAE should/could develop a totally new tank, capable of competing with the best MBTs. That is just not realistic in a peer conflict scenario, and we shouldn’t be operating in that mindset. They have also not been challenged in the air for a long time The army however has to prepare for a number of threats from top and bottom end, each requiring different kit within a really tight budget. In-box reviews. Tank crews, contrary to what may be expected, suffered very few casualties in both US and British armies, and I would expect that to be just as true today with the improvements in survivability in tanks. It’s so embarrassing! This Upgrade version features steel gears and plastic tracks for an economical balance between durability and weight. Increasing the power output with common rail will require extra cooling. FYI, that ship has sailed France and Germany are already working on a new tank MGCS. I don’t disagree, I’ve no idea how it would be funded. There are some interesting articles on UK Land Power regarding your tanks and the new strike brigades that are worth reading if you have not done so already. They will take the boiling vessel away,no more tea. The base armour of a Leopard 2 is bloody thin compared to a Challys base armour. Defence Secretary Penny Mordaunt said: "This announcement is a clear vote of confidence in the UK’s defence industry as a world-leader in designing, supplying and supporting military vehicles.". I’m unsure if the Reserve has a Railway Squadron left, will check. Rocket science? The features originally touted by BAE for their ‘Black Night’ upgrade, which no doubt will likely feature as part of any new proposal from the recently created Rheinmetall and BAE launch joint vehicle design venture, include: The Challenger 2 tank, built by BAE Systems in the 1990s, served in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. Most of the development work for the upgrade was done in 2018 so by 2021 will be 3 years old already, and that just the decision to be made how long to complete the upgrade? Geen van onze partnerwinkels of leden heeft dit momenteel te koop. Germany and indeed Poland might need hundreds of main battle tanks. The idea the UK won’t deploy large numbers of battle tanks in the future, is to forget our recent history. At this time, the Royal Armoured Corps had 386 Challenger 2 MBTs in seven armoured regiments. “Accelerated fightability” It is an excellent example. As for manning, I’d rather have a bruising 60 ton tank than… Read more ». We are down from 384 to just over 300 total stock. Yes, fully aware of CAT being the parent company. 16AA has had bits of its CS and CSS removed. Having more than enough some could be put in warm store then down the line exchanged for the mire worn ones prolonging service life before heavy overhaul required. But then do you give the decision of firing the weapon to the vehicle’s AI? Should have proper dummy socket stowage to stop the cable plug getting chopped off! Such an arrangement could pave the way for the UK to co-develop the M1 successor? Britain doesn’t have many other options. A new facility built near Salisbury would be the best solution with the Aschurch land sold off to fund a new site once it is cleaned up. Originally a total of seven major American and European defence companies have answered the British request for upgrade proposals for the CR2. They were slaughtered. It’s not doing it because Military spending and activity is viewed with EXTREME suspicion by Germans and Europeans (and Americans too). The Army need a new tank, at the moment they are slowly killing of a capability that has been steadily reduced since the early 2000’s. What is disappointing are the numbers to be upgraded, possible only 130-150? This apparently happened a lot. Move the Ajax back to the Armoured Brigades where they belong, and get Cannons, ATGW, and other variants in an all Boxer Strike Brigade, and we might be in business. More than that, just ask the question… “how heavy is a Challenger 2?”. Perkins is now owned by cat’ so that would be American, its a heavy large lump and should be replaced by the MTU engine which is smaller, lighter ,more powerful and uses less fuel. We really need to start investing in our industries again! The company submitted its plans for Challenger 2 to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and … ‘Black Night’: Could This Upgraded Challenger 2 Battle Tank Transform Warfare? Upgrades are being sought to keep the tank battle-ready for the next twenty years, as part of the Ministry of Defence’s decision to extend the tank’s life until 2035. The army is also retaining CHE facilities in Germany at Ayrshire Barracks. It is an interesting topic, I have read Gabs site but if you have anymore sites you can recommend I would be pleased, Why does everyone bring up HET for deployment surely any serious armour is going to be deployed by sea? The days of Rommel and such are long gone imo. But it would be naive (and unfortunately I think is the case) that we’re looking at this from the lens of Iraq and Afghanistan, when we didn’t lose a single MBT. upgrading the challenger is a waist of time tell bae to get off there asses and build a new one russia has, We have been in need of this upgrade for CR2 for a long time. Speaking to Forces TV here, the Minister made clear that the announcements will be made at the beginning of 2021. 120 tanks is more than 50-60 tanks! The German company is proposing the solution as part of plans to extend the life of the CR2 through the British Army’s Life Extension Programme (LEP). Plus the probably already planned STUFT components Another capability we have. It OS a very good point but the bean counters will choke on their digestives at the thought of 250/350 tanks just being kept in storage. After fitting they didn’t lose one crew member. we have withdrawn from continental Europe both physically and now politically. However the US-based General Dynamics (the manufacturer of the current M1 Abrams MBT) has decided to join the Team Challenger 2 lead by BAE Systems.BAE Systems acquired Vickers Defence Systems, the manufacturer of the Challenger 2 tank. The Trophy system is battle tested against most ATGM and RPGs. Sadly not that many Challys. We’re therefore, theoretically, going to need multiple tanks… Read more ». The Challenger 2 soldiered on in the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, ... An upgrade to a 1,500 horsepower system would at least bring the Challenger 2 in line with other Western main battle tanks. It has proven itself against multiple simultaneous targets, with some of the attacks captured on Youtube. No rush then! Are tanks really what we need more of in this modern era? A decision on how many of the Army’s Challenger 2 tanks will be upgraded will not be made until 2021. As an example the thermal imaging cameras have been used commercially for a few years already. The MoD typically having cut the other one. Bid for Challenger 2 Upgrade Bid for Challenger 2 Upgrade Lockheed Martin UK is to bid for the Ministry of Defence’s contract to upgrade the British Army’s Challenger 2 tanks. The problem is, Rheinmetall don’t make the Leopard Tank, they only supply the gun. Could be a game changer. Although the Challenger 2 looked as it was visually a simple upgrade of the Challenger 1, both tanks had less than 3% of parts in common (as stated by Vickers in its promotional video, see below). If we still think Russia is about to launch a land invasion, then we should still have 30,000 troops and BAOR in Germany. Will be used in accordance with our privacy policy, BFBS, Chalfont Grove, Narcot Lane, Gerrards Cross, Buckinghamshire, SL9 8TN How that equates to a 55% majority share beats me! The UK is the same only on a smaller scale, but 150 MBT’s is too small, if the UK is drawn into a land conflict alongside the US. Not a simple cut for the beancounters to make. The problem with remotely operated vehicles is they can have their communications easily disrupted. Okay, most of Ashchurch is going but other MOD sites (with controlled environment) could house reserve Challengers, that don’t receive the LEP package. Regenerative braking – The tank has been made more energy efficient by using less energy-hungry kit and installing regenerative braking in the turret, which generates power when the gun slows down into position. 1/16 Scale UK Challenger II Battle Tank Upgrade Edition by Heng Long - RTR - HLG3908-001 Having distinguished itself in the Gulf War and other deployments, the Challenger II remains the apex of British tank technology. I bet we can build new tanks for cheaper in the end! Strange, that many countries around the World are designing and developing new MBT’s and plan to build them in considerable numbers? Well it’s stated that the later versions of the Abraham’s tanks cost the US just shy of $9 million each. Closing sites always has the problem of where to put that capability, resulting in cost, and the need to store thousands of vehicles has not gone away. Respect! It is good to see the only high end war fighting division improved with the Warrior CSP, the Challenger 2 upgrade and the CVRT replacement AJAX. I’m sure they looked at it before, possibly still are? We will always need the ability to adopt an offensive posture and capability, and that needs to be relatively quick. Good for them. But improve the enablers and other logistics. A question for the experts, would it not be a better option to purchase these rather than upgrading the Chally? The air force is there to drop bombs and is pretty simple to buy for, and most war options needing the same kit. They even made a technology demonstrator to showcase they could work together with EMBT that was displayed at Eurostaory 2018, which is a first stage to develop the MGCS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMW%2BNexter_Defense_Systems It’s pure fantasy to think that Germany will fund/develop a second MBT project with UK. Just look at some of the reactions to the idea that Germany and France might want to co-operate on an aircraft carrier. The author seems to think that the RAF & RN top brass have gone a long way along the coherence route, interestingly, which considering how often the army’s had the CDS role seems somewhat surreal; and I do note that the new 1SL does not seem to… Read more », It’s not really fair to compare the three services. , which began in 2006, were shelved have not, not vehicles far. Than that, just ask the question… “ how heavy is a fictional name given to the Turks, Mark... 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